Locked Mistreatment Report - Hobbitten

[Hobbitten 712]

Hello Mobile,

We would like to directly address several parts of your report and provide clarification on several matters. Before we start, here is a the history of the events that transpired prior to your demotion:

• On June 18th, the player was permanently banned on a Gmod community after being exposed for sending inappropriate anime images in a private discord server
• You shared this information with koen, who then took action and also issued a ban from Nide after finding out they were also a Nide player and a member of the Nide Discord server
• Koen explained the punishment reasoning to me in private messages outside of the admin channel, including screenshots of the chat logs and other members of the server. Because the evidence included both players of the Gmod community and Nide, I decided to support the ban while ignoring the fact that this had happened in a separate community.
• On July 13th, the banned player reached out to both koen and I to explain and appeal his ban from Nide. Their own statement on the matters goes as follow:

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i got banned in [unnamed gmod server]
I explained everything to [unrelated] but ill keep it brief
this guy got banned (my past friend) and he got really spiteful about me and 2 other guys
and he attacked us 3 using another superadmin
this guy got banned for being a pedo but he attacked us trying to drag us down
and since I have no way to defend myself they just believe it

• I then inquired koen further in regards to his permanent ban, asking for more evidence and reexamining everything we were given. I asked koen the following:

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This guy you permabanned is currently asking to be unbanned. I need to see the evidence as I know how wrong this kid stuff can go I just need to make sure that I stand for the correct side before handling anything.
Because we dont ban anyone for stuff that happens outside of the community even pedo stuff but you mentioned it also took place with people from nide making it a problem for us. I just need to see the evidence pointing towards this

 

• Koen shares the evidence with me, including more screenshots provided by Mobile Task Force Leader Gunner. After careful examination of the screenshots, we determined that because this had happened outside of Nide and did not directly involve the community or our players, we determined that the permanent ban was unjustified and was promptly removed.
• Mobile notices the player’s unban from Nide, and brought up both frustration and disapproval of the action in admin chat

I want to clarify that your demotion was not tied to this situation. You had engaged in several activities and demonstrated behavior unbefitting of an admin after a thorough investigation from the LSA team as well as several player reports. On July 16th, the LSA team was made aware of a player impersonating another player in the community. Upon checking IP address and logged information, it was revealed that the alt account was being operated by you. During that session, you left the server on your alt account and rejoined on your main account, attempting to lead Mt Bur Omisace v6. However, you then promptly left to join Mapeadores to play Westersand. After Mapeadores finished playing westersand, you rejoined Nide once more under the alt account to continue trash talking the server and the community.

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Player 1: because sad retards came back from mapeadores
Player 1: they are just laser junkies
Player 1: they dont rly care about maps
Mobile Task Force Leader Gunner : wanderer retired for nide to suck dick on mapea
Player 1: yet you joined him mobile
Mobile Task Force Leader Gunner: yeah i dont care about ze
Mobile Task Force Leader Gunner: dead game full of retards 

We absolutely do not tolerate any instances of impersonating. However, never had we ever have an admin impersonate another player and sending harassing messages. Because of this specific situation, the LSA team and I had already begun discussing what course of action we should take about this matter.

Our deeper investigation further revealed a pattern of systemic behavior from you that ruins the image of Nide admins and ruins the experience for other players. You claim that you have only brought up pedos/pedophiles around nine or ten times but chat logs and player reports indicate much more than what you claim. There are logs of you calling several other players pedophiles in chat, and also spreading unfounded rumors of other players being involved in pedophilia. While we cannot confirm the validity of all your statements, several players have come forward and expressed discomfort with your comments. Below are just screenshots of messages you have sent on the server, but there have been many more instances of you saying this in voice across multiple demos. As an admin, we expect you to represent the team and the community. So to have you go around calling other players pedophiles is something we do not tolerate.



On top of the baseless accusations of pedophilia, there have been many instances of you harassing other players on the server. Many chat logs and player reports have indicated a trend of harassment towards certain groups of players. While we do not know the full context behind the comments you have made towards other players, we know for certain that many have come forward expressing discomfort and reluctance for playing on the server when you are present. During your time as admin, we were also aware that you had disagreements with several other admins and LSAs. While we do not expect all admins to be on friendly terms with one another, we still expect civil discussion and cooperation as an admin team. Our logs also showed that you had sent an msay message targeting another LSA. This is unacceptable coming from you, and we do not want this kind of behavior on the admin team. After considering all the chat logs, unfounded pedophilia accusations, and harassment campaigns, I made the decision to demote you immediately and issue a three month silence for your actions.

I acknowledge that I handled this demotion with a hot head, as I could have used some time to think about a proper way to handle it. With that said I should have confronted my staff team at first and then proceeded from there but something needed to happen fast. However, with hindsight in mind and with a cold head, I believe my actions are justified, and this is an important learning experience for me and the whole staff team about how these situations should be handled in the future.
My goal is to have an enjoyable experience for all players, that means that no one is above the rest, no one should be able to throw accusations to other players with impunity. The whole point of the server is to play, have fun and create good memories with the people you meet here, and it's not ideal if these memories are ruined because of episodes like so.

I also let the management and the lead server admins review my actions which is why the response have taken so long to be posted.

[BlooD 28]

Come on Guys . To all management . I want to say , mobile is joking when he call someone pedophiles  or pedos ,   he is not serious about those words . He is cool guy give him chance , don't be so narcissistic here ........  The server will grief if he is muted for 3 months.....   

Edited July 28 by BlooD

[Vndrew 394]

@ BlooD  I recommend you to stop. Im assuming you dont understand the situation. So if you dont get this situation seriously, please hold yourself from unconsscious comments.

[BlooD 28]

@ Vndrew   Okay bro , no worries , don't get mad at me   . But nobody is perfect . You and the others should give him second chance .  If you think what he did is wrong and bad . I do not see it like this but okay . 

[Mobile Task Force Leader Gunner 86]

2 hours ago, Hobbitten said:

Hello Mobile,

We would like to directly address several parts of your report and provide clarification on several matters. Before we start, here is a the history of the events that transpired prior to your demotion:

• On June 18th, the player was permanently banned on a Gmod community after being exposed for sending inappropriate anime images in a private discord server
• You shared this information with koen, who then took action and also issued a ban from Nide after finding out they were also a Nide player and a member of the Nide Discord server
• Koen explained the punishment reasoning to me in private messages outside of the admin channel, including screenshots of the chat logs and other members of the server. Because the evidence included both players of the Gmod community and Nide, I decided to support the ban while ignoring the fact that this had happened in a separate community.
• On July 13th, the banned player reached out to both koen and I to explain and appeal his ban from Nide. Their own statement on the matters goes as follow:

• I then inquired koen further in regards to his permanent ban, asking for more evidence and reexamining everything we were given. I asked koen the following:

 

• Koen shares the evidence with me, including more screenshots provided by Mobile Task Force Leader Gunner. After careful examination of the screenshots, we determined that because this had happened outside of Nide and did not directly involve the community or our players, we determined that the permanent ban was unjustified and was promptly removed.
• Mobile notices the player’s unban from Nide, and brought up both frustration and disapproval of the action in admin chat

I want to clarify that your demotion was not tied to this situation. You had engaged in several activities and demonstrated behavior unbefitting of an admin after a thorough investigation from the LSA team as well as several player reports. On July 16th, the LSA team was made aware of a player impersonating another player in the community. Upon checking IP address and logged information, it was revealed that the alt account was being operated by you. During that session, you left the server on your alt account and rejoined on your main account, attempting to lead Mt Bur Omisace v6. However, you then promptly left to join Mapeadores to play Westersand. After Mapeadores finished playing westersand, you rejoined Nide once more under the alt account to continue trash talking the server and the community.

We absolutely do not tolerate any instances of impersonating. However, never had we ever have an admin impersonate another player and sending harassing messages. Because of this specific situation, the LSA team and I had already begun discussing what course of action we should take about this matter.

Our deeper investigation further revealed a pattern of systemic behavior from you that ruins the image of Nide admins and ruins the experience for other players. You claim that you have only brought up pedos/pedophiles around nine or ten times but chat logs and player reports indicate much more than what you claim. There are logs of you calling several other players pedophiles in chat, and also spreading unfounded rumors of other players being involved in pedophilia. While we cannot confirm the validity of all your statements, several players have come forward and expressed discomfort with your comments. Below are just screenshots of messages you have sent on the server, but there have been many more instances of you saying this in voice across multiple demos. As an admin, we expect you to represent the team and the community. So to have you go around calling other players pedophiles is something we do not tolerate.



On top of the baseless accusations of pedophilia, there have been many instances of you harassing other players on the server. Many chat logs and player reports have indicated a trend of harassment towards certain groups of players. While we do not know the full context behind the comments you have made towards other players, we know for certain that many have come forward expressing discomfort and reluctance for playing on the server when you are present. During your time as admin, we were also aware that you had disagreements with several other admins and LSAs. While we do not expect all admins to be on friendly terms with one another, we still expect civil discussion and cooperation as an admin team. Our logs also showed that you had sent an msay message targeting another LSA. This is unacceptable coming from you, and we do not want this kind of behavior on the admin team. After considering all the chat logs, unfounded pedophilia accusations, and harassment campaigns, I made the decision to demote you immediately and issue a three month silence for your actions.

I acknowledge that I handled this demotion with a hot head, as I could have used some time to think about a proper way to handle it. With that said I should have confronted my staff team at first and then proceeded from there but something needed to happen fast. However, with hindsight in mind and with a cold head, I believe my actions are justified, and this is an important learning experience for me and the whole staff team about how these situations should be handled in the future.
My goal is to have an enjoyable experience for all players, that means that no one is above the rest, no one should be able to throw accusations to other players with impunity. The whole point of the server is to play, have fun and create good memories with the people you meet here, and it's not ideal if these memories are ruined because of episodes like so.

I also let the management and the lead server admins review my actions which is why the response have taken so long to be posted.

Hey Hobbitten.

I'll start off point by point and address your response.

1) Starting off with the situation about the permabanned person

"You shared this information with koen"
-- Nope, Koen was fully aware of the whole situation without my input. We had recently permabanned 3 people who were all in a group posting lolicons (sexualized children) to each other. Me and Koen were discussing the situation and he brought up permabanning this person from nide aswell since they're a nide player. I said "If you think management would support it then yeah". Knowing the nide mindset I even brought up saying how it might get management mad at him because it happened outside of nide.
I dont know why you're making it sound like I was the main drive behind this decision, I fully support it for obvious reasons but I never brought it up banning him from nide in the first place. The problem ill say again is you initially supporting the punishment but then backtracking, Once the punishment is done its automatically part of the community.
Also since people were curious and asking me to see the evidence, I shared a heavily censored version of the proof to the people that asked me and they all found it very disturbing.
To be fair, I dont think you or other management defend this kind of stuff. But there are instances where, In my opinion, you need to let go of community isolationism. Especially when it comes to the worst things such as what I described.

2) "I want to clarify that your demotion was not tied to this situation"
-- Although I kinda doubt this considering the timing that it happened, And with our talk after extending well into this subject for quite a while, I cant really prove that it was so ill humbly accept that it is not tied to this situation.

3) "the LSA team was made aware of a player impersonating another player in the community. Upon checking IP address and logged information"
-- Yeah, I was playing cs2 and I was waiting join a server so in the meantime I joined css to play for a bit till the map changed. I was impersonating one of the russian players who happens to say pretty funny stuff so I joined and played some of his sounds on the voice + then talked myself. Im not denying this at all and you're right in the sense that it looks bad but also I dont think massive harm was done.
I gave up on trying to join mapeadores on cs2 and came back to nide on my main account and you clearly posted what I said below but I dont know why you're bringing up what I said to Wanderer since im close friends with him and we both shit talk eachother for idk like 8 months now as banter. I dont know why you're saying its also shittalking mapeadores I dont have a problem with them.
And for what I said about ZE below that. If someone's being confrontational i'll likely say what I think without sugar coating, But ask anyone and I think they'll tell you that nide gets pretty annoying to play at times, There are times where nobody plays the game properly (this is relevant to you tbh because you banned a person around 2/3 months ago for being friendly with humans on a joke map (doorhug&solo).
Nobody defends, Everybody doorhugs, Server dies after FF maps and you cant play any other decent map with a full server maybe 30 people at best and half of them are AFK or in spec. So that probably contributed a big part to me crashing out also because I tend to lead maps alot and at some point it gets tiresome but if I dont do it its unlikely someone else will.

"However, never had we ever have an admin impersonate another player and sending harassing messages."
-- Impersonate I agree, not good at all. "harassing" kind of a longshot. You'd have a massive list of people to silence if what I said there is considered "harassing"

"Our deeper investigation further revealed a pattern of systemic behavior from you that ruins the image of Nide admins and ruins the experience for other players"
-- Right, Says who? Have you ever asked the players what they think of nide admins? Have you ever asked them what traits of an admin contributes the best experience for the players?
Because correct me if im wrong but with the internet being the internet and it being full of strangers that dont know eachother, People likely care more about if something effects thier own game rather than how someone acts.
What I mean: Trashtalk and in general saying stuff is the behaviour part. While things like ebanning properly, Slaying at the right time, Putting on practices modes and any other techincal stuff is other people's game.
I have a hard time believing people really a give a damn what someone else says, If that were the case then nobody would play on nide. Why? have a look

 

However I can assure you, When there an admin that isnt doing what he's suppose to such as: Not CKnifing properly, Not ebanning when its warranted, Ebanning when its not warranted, Slaying at the wrong times and so on and so fourth. That hurts the and ruins the image for the staff team MUCH more than if some admin says "you f*cking pedophile" "you f*cking faggot" "you retard why are you not using the item".
And tbh we have previous cases of other higher up admins doing this also but I dont know how much you address them.

Here's a good example of admin behaviour that tarnishes the whole staff team image is mere seconds (Unrelated but a good example)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-UrtVMo1Lw
(The admin in question: LSA .Revan)
And I dont care this was long ago, This video should be held as an example of the last thing you want to be as an admin.

3) "You claim that you have only brought up pedos/pedophiles around nine or ten times but chat logs and player reports indicate much more than what you claim."

Maybe you thought I pulled that number randomly out of nowhere but not really. I went to the ingame-chat channel and wrote "mobile task force leader gunner: pedo" & "mobile task force leader gunner: pedophile"
Also in my original post I quote: "I dont think I said it on the mic more than that also" I mean I dont think im a cunt from my heart, I kinda know that word is offensive, but so is Nigger, so is Faggot, so is "Kill yourself" but I usually only said that when I got rly pissed off.
In the screenshots above I also showcased how many times its been said, a whopping 7000+ times with both words combined, But maybe me saying it like 10 or hell 20 times, Clearly im the issue in this case.

4) "There are logs of you calling several other players pedophiles in chat, and also spreading unfounded rumors of other players being involved in pedophilia"
-- You want me to go in depth and say my reasoning? Probably not, Would be irrelevant anyways because this report isnt about that. But I did go a little bit into depth about 1 person in our private chat, You've yet to reply to me on but thats 1 example.

5) "While we cannot confirm the validity of all your statements, several players have come forward and expressed discomfort with your comments"
-- Yeah you cant, But I dont see why you cant trust it when im calling out my own mistakes always and in the instances where I stand my ground I provide evidence or backup of witnesses, But also the people that have reached out to me and said they dont appreciate what im saying to them have been greeted with an apology from me and I fully stopped saying anything vulgar to them.
I know the default shouldnt be that but when me myself when I have been shittalked non stop because of political reasons that have nothing to do with ZE it kinda blinds you at some points of time. And dont think for a second im playing the victim, I dont care what people say about me. Im merely stating the fact that ze has one of the most toxic communities out there.
And for the instances where it was an insult and not an accusation I noted that it was my fault and shouldnt have been said even though that word gets said often on the server by alot of different people.

6) "Below are just screenshots of messages you have sent on the server"
-- Nice, Cool compilation image. That's a clever way of making something look much more than it really is. Especially when you consider that's over a span of 1.3 years with around 1500 hours on the server.
Not to mention some of those are serious, and some of them are not. Such as me joking with Seal (love you homie)

7) "On top of the baseless accusations of pedophilia, there have been many instances of you harassing other players on the server"
-- "Baseless accusations", Im either saying it as an insult like the 7000+ times its been said, Or I have a valid reason to do so. In this case valid reason as in alot of these games and communities have mutual people in common that are connected through big chat groups and ive seen the behaviour of some of these people outside of nide.
You can say this is my fault for bringing this into nide, Tbh I wasent the first to do this and ive seen it being done often in the past, the guy who made mist and all that. But its unfair for you to try and pin the blame solely on me.

"Many chat logs and player reports have indicated a trend of harassment towards certain groups of players."
-- Easy to say, Show me what you're talking about if you want me to explain.

9) "we know for certain that many have come forward expressing discomfort and reluctance for playing on the server when you are present"
-- Ah, I know who you're talking about. So next time they start talking trash and in some cases saying they say they hope I die I should sit there and take it. Tbh maybe, Atleast in that case they cant come to you and play victim when I respond to their comments.

10) "During your time as admin, we were also aware that you had disagreements with several other admins and LSAs"
-- Agreed.

"While we do not expect all admins to be on friendly terms with one another, we still expect civil discussion and cooperation as an admin team"
-- So, Is secretly reporting another admin over and over again over the smallest things, Searching for reasons to get someone in trouble, That's seen as civil in your eyes? Because that's the main reason I had disagreements with these admins (most ppl know who).

"Our logs also showed that you had sent an msay message targeting another LSA."
-- Uh who? Because tbh I think everyone on the LSA team is pretty good right now even though with 1 of them ive had a tough past with them I think hes doing a pretty good job so I credit him for that.
If you're referring to one of the retired LSAs, I showed you the message he confronted me with. I cant treat someone with respect when he treats me with disrespect. Sorry.

"After considering all the chat logs, unfounded pedophilia accusations, and harassment campaigns,"
-- Chat logs, Already addressed that point. Unfounded pedo accusations, Not entirely unfounded, Some of them are insults some of them are valid accusations because of proof or witnesses other than myself.
And the last part "harrasment campaigns". You bring up this point like im some sort of puppet master, I play ze to have fun. Though we can take a moment to talk about your handling of the whisper campaign against me.
When I was admin, I was getting reported by the same people (I know who and what for because they made it too obvious, Everyone else knows exactly 'THE PERSON' im referring to.) for the smallest things, You didnt think that it was targetted campaign?
Was it not weird that the same people were reporting the same person over and over, and over the smallest things? Was that not suspcious to you? I dont have any idea what you did with this but I would like for you to state what you did about it.
It was insane to the extent it got to, You say some people are "reluctance for playing on the server" well imagine what its like to have multiple people searching for reasons to get you in trouble every single step of the way.

"I acknowledge that I handled this demotion with a hot head"
-- Its fine.

"I believe my actions are justified"
-- My quote from the original post: "I'll start off and I say I didnt disagree at all with his statement, Its fully his right to decide which admins are fit to be admin, and he fully has the authority to dismiss any of them if he sees fit"
I think you still blew it out of proportion, Ive been an admin for around 8 months maybe a bit more on your server and throughout that time I believe I contributed more than you think. I dont appreciate you disregarding all the headaches and annoyances I had to go through to moderate your server and most times at the expense of my personal enjoyment of the game, Given my explaination for the whole situation.

"My goal is to have an enjoyable experience for all players, that means that no one is above the rest, no one should be able to throw accusations to other players with impunity. The whole point of the server is to play, have fun and create good memories with the people you meet here, and it's not ideal if these memories are ruined because of episodes like so"
-- Agreed.

"I also let the management and the lead server admins review my actions which is why the response have taken so long to be posted."
-- Thank you

Edited July 28 by Mobile Task Force Leader Gunner
idk why it added that emoji

[willy wilson 139]

41 minutes ago, Mobile Task Force Leader Gunner said:

If someone's being confrontational i'll likely say what I think without sugar coating, But ask anyone and I think they'll tell you that nide gets pretty annoying to play at times,

 

There are times where nobody plays the game properly (this is relevant to you tbh because you banned a person around 2/3 months ago for being friendly with humans on a joke map (doorhug&solo).
Nobody defends, Everybody doorhugs, Server dies after FF maps and you cant play any other decent map with a full server maybe 30 people at best and half of them are AFK or in spec. So that probably contributed a big part to me crashing out also because I tend to lead maps alot and at some point it gets tiresome but if I dont do it its unlikely someone else will.

 

"Our deeper investigation further revealed a pattern of systemic behavior from you that ruins the image of Nide admins and ruins the experience for other players"
-- Right, Says who? Have you ever asked the players what they think of nide admins? Have you ever asked them what traits of an admin contributes the best experience for the players?
Because correct me if im wrong but with the internet being the internet and it being full of strangers that dont know eachother, People likely care more about if something effects thier own game rather than how someone acts.
What I mean: Trashtalk and in general saying stuff is the behaviour part. While things like ebanning properly, Slaying at the right time, Putting on practices modes and any other techincal stuff is other people's game.
I have a hard time believing people really a give a damn what someone else says, If that were the case then nobody would play on nide. Why? have a look

 

"I dont think I said it on the mic more than that also" I mean I dont think im a cunt from my heart, I kinda know that word is offensive, but so is Nigger, so is Faggot, so is "Kill yourself" but I usually only said that when I got rly pissed off.
In the screenshots above I also showcased how many times its been said, a whopping 7000+ times with both words combined, But maybe me saying it like 10 or hell 20 times, Clearly im the issue in this case.

I would like to respond with my thoughts as a somewhat neutral party in this matter. I included some choice quotes of your response as quite frankly I felt these were choice examples of things I feel any admin shouldn't do and you personally should work on prior to applying for or in any way looking for a position of power in zombie escape.

 

1. You seem to make justifications for what is essentially demotable behavior throughout your post.

You minimize the impact of an admin impersonating someone on the server by stating you weren't harassing anyone. Seriously? Who cares if you harassed anyone, even just hoping on to the server and playing can feel invasive. If I had someone name themselves willy wilson, use my profile Pic and spam leading from my YouTube I'd find it invasive (unless it was evident they weren't me and doing it as a sort of kind gesture or tribute or something). Any sort of impersonation (that isn't a tribute) can tarnish good relationships thst person has but within a community, you're an admin this alone imo is a demotable offense.

2. You consistently seem to have a negative outlook and act in an inflamatory manner.

This may not feel like it's big but even if 10% of your time leading or talking is spent shit talking others and being inflammatory this in my opinion can ruin a server's atmosphere and disincentivize players from returning. Its evident you consistently have a habbit of getting worked up, I get it, I'm an emotional wreck half the time too. But that's no excuse if you're an admin, just vent to a friend, other admins or pretty much vent your frustration anywhere BUT the server. Do I vent my bullshit at my job or when I'm working as an admin? No, I vent to other admins or a friend. Also you equate the word pedophile with fag, gay, kike, nigger, etc. Even if you did only say pedophile or accuse someone of being a pedophile once or twice that's incredibly damaging to a community, first off how likely is it that player accused comes back to the server? Will other players get off the server due to the fear of false allegations? I liked loones on unloze as did many other players who played with him, he has since been shown to be a pedo. I personally wasn't close to him but what if some people very close to the guy are now accused of being pedos too? Would they keep playing? So many players on ze are random players you may not recognize or see consistently. When they see this behavior from an admin would they come back? Would you? 

3. Pedophile v Other words

The words nigger, fag, kike, etc. All aren't nearly as hefty of an accusation as a pedophile simply because we all know it's all a joke or just being stupid because why not. On the other hand the ze community on css is extremely sensitive to the word pedophile and pedo because members of the community have been literal pedophiles and a lot of people here have kids / families. Similarly a lot of our players are under 18. Pedophile is a much much worse thing to call someone rather than nigger, kike, faggot. Etc. because of the amount of kids that play the game and previous incidents with actual pedos. Also the word isn't normalized on the server.

4. You're too invested in the game and server

I'm just going to be frank here, potentially at the risk of diminishing my other arguments. You are far too invested in the game and server to adequately engage with it in a healthy manner. You write this on a public forum rather than talk through PMs or resolve it internally. While yes, I get it, they may have blown you off internally, you shouldn't force the admin team to essentially justify your demotion if you really were impersonating other players and being divisive. Sure this was the straw that broke the camels back but you could've saved yourself and Hobbitten a lot of time and just general bullshit by discussing it behind closed doors, none of the admins are that unreasonable for this to go Public. Honestly take some time off the game and it will give you more perspective. You can't see the forest from the trees and anyone who cares enough to write this much needs time off (I'm still learning that myself).

I like you Mobile, you're passionate, you're hard working, you f*cking care. Any one of those is admirable, and all three? You're one in a million. With that being said you need other shit in your life to contextualize and evaluate things properly, otherwise your mind ends up fighting battles like this on a 20 year old player created add on for the forgotten middle child of counterstrike. Honestly man if you just take some time off, read some philosophy and contextualize your judgement and decisions you'd male more informed and decisions that would likely line up with the general admin consensus a bit more. Alternatively, if you take 6 months off and put your efforts into a new passion that makes money? My man you'll be a super star rolling in a Benz with more bitches than a pimp.

[Mobile Task Force Leader Gunner 86]

8 minutes ago, willy wilson said:

I would like to respond with my thoughts as a somewhat neutral party in this matter. I included some choice quotes of your response as quite frankly I felt these were choice examples of things I feel any admin shouldn't do and you personally should work on prior to applying for or in any way looking for a position of power in zombie escape.

 

1. You seem to make justifications for what is essentially demotable behavior throughout your post.

You minimize the impact of an admin impersonating someone on the server by stating you weren't harassing anyone. Seriously? Who cares if you harassed anyone, even just hoping on to the server and playing can feel invasive. If I had someone name themselves willy wilson, use my profile Pic and spam leading from my YouTube I'd find it invasive (unless it was evident they weren't me and doing it as a sort of kind gesture or tribute or something). Any sort of impersonation (that isn't a tribute) can tarnish good relationships thst person has but within a community, you're an admin this alone imo is a demotable offense.

2. You consistently seem to have a negative outlook and act in an inflamatory manner.

This may not feel like it's big but even if 10% of your time leading or talking is spent shit talking others and being inflammatory this in my opinion can ruin a server's atmosphere and disincentivize players from returning. Its evident you consistently have a habbit of getting worked up, I get it, I'm an emotional wreck half the time too. But that's no excuse if you're an admin, just vent to a friend, other admins or pretty much vent your frustration anywhere BUT the server. Do I vent my bullshit at my job or when I'm working as an admin? No, I vent to other admins or a friend. Also you equate the word pedophile with fag, gay, kike, nigger, etc. Even if you did only say pedophile or accuse someone of being a pedophile once or twice that's incredibly damaging to a community, first off how likely is it that player accused comes back to the server? Will other players get off the server due to the fear of false allegations? I liked loones on unloze as did many other players who played with him, he has since been shown to be a pedo. I personally wasn't close to him but what if some people very close to the guy are now accused of being pedos too? Would they keep playing? So many players on ze are random players you may not recognize or see consistently. When they see this behavior from an admin would they come back? Would you? 

3. Pedophile v Other words

The words nigger, fag, kike, etc. All aren't nearly as hefty of an accusation as a pedophile simply because we all know it's all a joke or just being stupid because why not. On the other hand the ze community on css is extremely sensitive to the word pedophile and pedo because members of the community have been literal pedophiles and a lot of people here have kids / families. Similarly a lot of our players are under 18. Pedophile is a much much worse thing to call someone rather than nigger, kike, faggot. Etc. because of the amount of kids that play the game and previous incidents with actual pedos. Also the word isn't normalized on the server.

4. You're too invested in the game and server

I'm just going to be frank here, potentially at the risk of diminishing my other arguments. You are far too invested in the game and server to adequately engage with it in a healthy manner. You write this on a public forum rather than talk through PMs or resolve it internally. While yes, I get it, they may have blown you off internally, you shouldn't force the admin team to essentially justify your demotion if you really were impersonating other players and being divisive. Sure this was the straw that broke the camels back but you could've saved yourself and Hobbitten a lot of time and just general bullshit by discussing it behind closed doors, none of the admins are that unreasonable for this to go Public. Honestly take some time off the game and it will give you more perspective. You can't see the forest from the trees and anyone who cares enough to write this much needs time off (I'm still learning that myself).

I like you Mobile, you're passionate, you're hard working, you f*cking care. Any one of those is admirable, and all three? You're one in a million. With that being said you need other shit in your life to contextualize and evaluate things properly, otherwise your mind ends up fighting battles like this on a 20 year old player created add on for the forgotten middle child of counterstrike. Honestly man if you just take some time off, read some philosophy and contextualize your judgement and decisions you'd male more informed and decisions that would likely line up with the general admin consensus a bit more. Alternatively, if you take 6 months off and put your efforts into a new passion that makes money? My man you'll be a super star rolling in a Benz with more bitches than a pimp.

MY HOMIE WILLY

ill keep it short this time I promise

you're right in the points you bring up, im not trying to justify the impersonation. its bad for sure.

the flaming part I agree, it gets pretty bad at times when you're leading. I lead quite alot and there are sessions where it truely reaches a new level of frustration. nobody defending, everyone doorhugging, bad item users. and sometimes when I see the same person picking up items, misusing them and then we have to replay the 10 minutes out of the 12 minute stage over and over it gets pretty frustrating.

for your second point, tbh we both have different experiences coming from different games and communities. as I said the accusations are strictly there if I have proof or witnesses to back it up. realistically when you think about it, what's the alternative? imagine in this case nobody reported loones and he was still around the community that has kids on it. you see my point? and this isnt really new (the whole calling out thing), I just dont like being used as the one to make an example of by punishment thats one of the main reason I made this report also.

as for it being an insult, yeah its for sure bad and worse than other words but bro you cant pin the whole thing on me when I posted logs showing its been said more than 7000+ times. also like nide isnt a profanity friendly community. things like the n word have been said a little small amount of 200,000 times. and "kill yourself" & "kys" which is also pretty bad around a combined total of 14,000 times by almost everyone.

and you're right bro maybe im too invested in this game, it comes as a side effect from being a new player and still being in a phase where I enjoy the game immensely. I like your final advice for sure though hahaha. love you bro.

[Verdessence 18]

I am writing this in terms of personal experience and not in support of Mobile but I would like to add my two cents:

On 7/29/2025 at 2:17 AM, Hobbitten said:

After careful examination of the screenshots, we determined that because this had happened outside of Nide and did not directly involve the community or our players, we determined that the permanent ban was unjustified and was promptly removed.

I do not think this is a good judgement in regards against an accused pedophile here, it creates a bad precedent that "NiDE is a shelter for [subjectively] outcasted pedophiles" if you genuinely believe off-platform behaviour is not a deciding factor for punishments, despite the evidence being evident enough, you're only letting the hazard be in the server, and it would be a risk on how the accused will act.

Yes, the person who got banned posted horrible shit, yes it was outside of the community, but NiDE should not be a community allowing such horrible people just because it happened outside of the community, there should be no respect or care for such horrible people, nor should they be given a second chance just because it didn't happen in the community yet, it's a case of survivorship bias. This is why sex offenders nor pedophiles are not allowed in certain areas because their impulses controlled the way how they acted upon people. It's a different scenario online, there are multiple horrible people supporting them also, there is the risk the person would post horrible shit again because they did not get the proper help they needed.

I recommend for the admin team to reconsider this idea of an unban reason. It can be a gray area to disallow this reason, I am sure, but such judgement should be weighed in with care.

[Almaa 20]

8 hours ago, Verdessence said:

I am writing this in terms of personal experience and not in support of Mobile but I would like to add my two cents:

I do not think this is a good judgement in regards against an accused pedophile here, it creates a bad precedent that "NiDE is a shelter for [subjectively] outcasted pedophiles" if you genuinely believe off-platform behaviour is not a deciding factor for punishments, despite the evidence being evident enough, you're only letting the hazard be in the server, and it would be a risk on how the accused will act.

Yes, the person who got banned posted horrible shit, yes it was outside of the community, but NiDE should not be a community allowing such horrible people just because it happened outside of the community, there should be no respect or care for such horrible people, nor should they be given a second chance just because it didn't happen in the community yet, it's a case of survivorship bias. This is why sex offenders nor pedophiles are not allowed in certain areas because their impulses controlled the way how they acted upon people. It's a different scenario online, there are multiple horrible people supporting them also, there is the risk the person would post horrible shit again because they did not get the proper help they needed.

I recommend for the admin team to reconsider this idea of an unban reason. It can be a gray area to disallow this reason, I am sure, but such judgement should be weighed in with care.

I agree with Verd, when someone gets banned on a different server not only for horrific stuff but, in my opinion, also for scamming others, they should also get banned on NiDE. Because let’s be real, one ban doesn’t change a person. They will just move on and do the same to others, this time on a different platform. Moving on from this case - pedophiles will stay pedo, scammers will scam, and cheaters will cheat. For all three of them, the rule of off-platform behaviour should not apply.

[Guest]

@ Skoollz @ Mobile Task Force Leader Gunner
maybe Im not the perfect guy to say this, and I’ll be quick // just wanna share my humble view on the matter 

So yeah, I quit ZE// , but while I was still playing, I witnessed some really negative behavior  especially from the mobile . Im talking about sudden bursts of toxicity, where people would start openly insulting others with no respect or consideration. a lot of times, these insults were aimed at teens or even tired players, which, in my opinion, doesn’t make sense and isn’t okay
another thing I noticed a lot was the kind of hate or frustration directed at new players    or players who simply don’t have enough experience yet. sure, they make mistakes, but that doesn't justify treating them harshly. whether you're an admin or a leader, that kind of reaction just feels wrong.

there are also many players who absolutely deserve more respect and appreciation  people like Lardy, Chris, Wicked, Hobbiten, Vndrew, Malgo, GBGaming ,Kamisenta anwar… and honestly, many others I might’ve forgotten. a lot of them don’t even have enough time to play regularly, yet they still show up and contribute to the server in their own way.
i also want to point out that it’s not just mobile  some other players and even a few admins sometimes fall into the same kind of behavior. personally, I agree with many of the points Chris has brought up in the past.

and honestly, I still think Mobile and Koen are two of the worst admins I ve seen, mostly because of their random outbursts and aggressive reactions // even toward older players and newer, younger ones too. I say this with full respect for the effort they’ve put in, but I believe the best thing they could do is work on managing their attitude and avoid lashing out without reason

That’s all from me  thx everyone, and I’ll be AFK for another year  or so (best server in the world :3)

 

 

 

 

 

Edited July 31 by chin_afk

[polyctavas2 19]

@ chin_afk Maybe you didnt play enough lowkey. Anytime people were called retarded for using an item out of hand it was mainly because they literally were retards. Most of them dont even know whats going on and most dont care to stay in the community long enough to learn. But honestly what i am trying to get out of this by replying is that people who take stuff online too seriously just need to not play. Ive know mobile ever since i joined nide (+ a little before that) And ever since i heard him say “kys” or “you dumb nigger” Ive always heard him have a laugh after saying things like this and just moving on. I dont think what hes saying that is “hurtful” most of the time is even true. He is just trying to make jokes and have a good time on the server. (same with lunala) Even if they are negative words, this is the internet and if you trust everybody here and follow everything they say, you are a total bot and one of those retarded players. (stop being a sensitive bitch)

On 7/28/2025 at 2:17 PM, Hobbitten said:

• On June 18th, the player was permanently banned on a Gmod community after being exposed for sending inappropriate anime images in a private discord server
• You shared this information with koen, who then took action and also issued a ban from Nide after finding out they were also a Nide player and a member of the Nide Discord server
• Koen explained the punishment reasoning to me in private messages outside of the admin channel, including screenshots of the chat logs and other members of the server. Because the evidence included both players of the Gmod community and Nide, I decided to support the ban while ignoring the fact that this had happened in a separate community.
• On July 13th, the banned player reached out to both koen and I to explain and appeal his ban from Nide. Their own statement on the matters goes as follow:

I also was just in disbelief by this. Even though this happened on another server, im pretty sure those anime images that he sent were literal children, and you would allow someone that would send things like this stay on the server. Pls do better NiDe.

[Mobile Task Force Leader Gunner 86]

5 hours ago, chin_afk said:

@ Skoollz @ Mobile Task Force Leader Gunner
maybe Im not the perfect guy to say this, and I’ll be quick // just wanna share my humble view on the matter 

So yeah, I quit ZE// , but while I was still playing, I witnessed some really negative behavior  especially from the mobile . Im talking about sudden bursts of toxicity, where people would start openly insulting others with no respect or consideration. a lot of times, these insults were aimed at teens or even tired players, which, in my opinion, doesn’t make sense and isn’t okay
another thing I noticed a lot was the kind of hate or frustration directed at new players    or players who simply don’t have enough experience yet. sure, they make mistakes, but that doesn't justify treating them harshly. whether you're an admin or a leader, that kind of reaction just feels wrong.

there are also many players who absolutely deserve more respect and appreciation  people like Lardy, Chris, Wicked, Hobbiten, Vndrew, Malgo, GBGaming ,Kamisenta anwar… and honestly, many others I might’ve forgotten. a lot of them don’t even have enough time to play regularly, yet they still show up and contribute to the server in their own way.
i also want to point out that it’s not just mobile  some other players and even a few admins sometimes fall into the same kind of behavior. personally, I agree with many of the points Chris has brought up in the past.

and honestly, I still think Mobile and Koen are two of the worst admins I ve seen, mostly because of their random outbursts and aggressive reactions // even toward older players and newer, younger ones too. I say this with full respect for the effort they’ve put in, but I believe the best thing they could do is work on managing their attitude and avoid lashing out without reason

That’s all from me  thx everyone, and I’ll be AFK for another year  or so (best server in the world :3)

 

 

 

 

 

I can respect your opinion and criticism, But...

Its hard for me and probably alot of other people to take what you say seriously when you had one of most random and manchildish crashouts infront of the whole community including the "last message" you left the community on. 

which also proves my point that your response is politically motivated like some other people have tried to bring up against me which is funny because it has nothing to do with ze or myself, so thank you for proving my point.

[Guest]

6 minutes ago, Mobile Task Force Leader Gunner said:

I can respect your opinion and criticism, But...

Its hard for me and probably alot of other people to take what you say seriously when you had one of most random and manchildish crashouts infront of the whole community including the "last message" you left the community on. 

which also proves my point that your response is politically motivated like some other people have tried to bring up against me which is funny because it has nothing to do with ze or myself, so thank you for proving my point.

as poly said, it’s the internet.  If you’re taking it that seriously, i honestly couldn’t care less (Getting a life is still free, last I checked)  

[Snail 7]

Snail’s Two Cents on “Hobbitten Report”

As someone who has known mobile for 5+ years, I’d like to also give my two cents on this report and on Hobbitten’s response. I will go over the three main points that everyone seems to be pointing at mainly.

 

• Mobile’s behavior on the server

While I do not condone the way mobile has behaved on the server, I do know that he does not legitimately mean 99% of the things he says. As he said himself, he’s been on the server for 1.3~ years with 1,500 hours on the server by itself. He will banter and make fun of players but so do many other players, is it warranted at times? Probably not, but he still makes good to show no true malice towards others. 

However, there have been times where he will insult others after they insulted him first or were shit talking to him without realizing and he calls them out for it. Is that good for an admin to do? No, but being a pushover isn’t a good thing to be as well so defending himself and going back and forth with people who insult him is fine, as most of the time after both parties make up.

Now onto him saying mean words such as n*gger, f*ggot, tr*nny, and p*dophile. He will say the first three to others as a word of banter and quick insult for a joke, I mean hell a lot of us do that but the last one he only throws around at friends when making quick retarded jabs at them. He did call rocklee it once but that was after rocklee was insulting him consistently, thus he did it out of frustration which isn’t alright. On the other side of that coin though, Mobile has called out potential p*dophiles or exposed ones or lolicon likers. Is that a bad thing, honestly it’s up to how you personally view it but if there is concrete proof then calling them out for what they are is fine and more people should be aware.

• Mobile alting

Okay let us all be real here, he’s retarded for this one, even he knows it. To go on an alt and impersonate other players for the “le funny meme moment”, and insulting his friends on it is probably the worst way to make yourself and the staff team look bad when the information was made public here. However, did he mean any of it? No, but it still makes him look bad in general and he does understand that as it can be viewed that way even if he doesn’t have issues with the things he’s saying such as flaming mapea and wanderer for some quick banter.

 

Before we get onto the third point, I do want to give some context as a lot of people know that I am from GMOD. This would hopefully make you guys aware that I do have some information regarding stuff that happens there and with the recent unbanning of a specific player, who I will not bother hiding his name as he posted lolicon and is a general weirdo (to me imo). I would like to show the community as to who Hobbitten and Koen decided to unban after reviewing the evidence that was given by multiple sources. I’d also like to give some information that Koen already knew about this evidence beforehand and reviewed it before, which led to this player's ban initially.

I do not know why I need to say this but if a person is banned from another community for heinous shit, that being either p*dophilia, doxxing, or consistent hacking behavior, they should also have that ban carried over to the new communities that they are in. As to why Hobbitten feels that this is incorrect and that everyone should be given a fresh start has got to be one of the most retarded things I’ve heard. Especially when there was straight up evidence that backs this. Like, hello???????

 

• Koen’s deceiving behavior

Actually, I lied, I will reveal who the person that was unbanned by both Hobbitten and Koen in the following points but I believe I have a duty to show that Koen does not care about the people he’s banning or unbanning as he’s never cared and even befriends some of these people.

 

• Chino

All of you do not know this is, but this is someone that Koen befriended on GMOD that was a known lolicon and actively talked about wanting to f*ck kids. Koen knew this and blatantly ignored it until people in his “zecord” started to call out Chino and make fun of him for being a p*dophile as he got banned from the zs servers that he played on.

There is more I could put here but Koen would actively purge his discord server and manually delete messages from Chino to protect him and temporarily kick him until things died out

 

• Trixie

This is another person from GMOD, someone that I am very, very familiar with for years as they were a proud lolicon and have some seriously twisted views about children. Koen had this person in his “zecord” server, until he banned him after he got backlash for it.
Another thing I want to put here really quick, Trixie is still active in the GFL CS2 SERVER, despite being reported to staff there. The staff there defended him saying that since it was outside of the server and there is not much evidence (there is), he would remain unbanned. Remember, that this is someone who said they like children, kids. Do I have to be more obvious? They were also in n3ox’s lolicon posting server.

 

• Futo

Another, GMOD, person, Wow. This one I’ve known and the Sunrust community and ex-community NoxiousNet has known that they are a lolicon. A proud lolicon at that. They buy tapestry posters of lolis and general hentai stuff, boasting over 100+ posters that covers his entire apartment room. It’s just wild really.

Anyways, this person used to be in Koen’s old “zecord”, and reminder they were known for being a lolicon. You cannot play dumb and feign ignorance with that.

 

• Fray

Dude I would love to stop bringing up GMOD players but holy shit, do we have a lot of disgusting vile festering things over there unfortunately. Anyways, this guy is a motherload for sure. To start off, he’s like Koen, an opportunistic, manipulative, emotional person. However what makes him separate from Koen is that this guy, Fray, is a fraud and stole content to make a name for himself and become a developer, to which he abused his power to try and get feminine men, trans women, and women. It did work but he didn’t care about age and for someone his age who is 24, he did not care about age and went for minors (or people much younger than him).

Now I can give Koen the benefit of the doubt that he didn’t know about Fray’s previous antics about stealing shit, but the other facts of him abusing power for that e-sex gain was known. Not to mention he was exposed around the time he joined Koen’s “zecord”. This exposé revealed that Fray was dming and actively erping with a 17 year old. Wow.

Also Fray was only banned from Koen’s server after several people spoke up about him keeping him around.

 

• Ketaminka

Now onto the banned person who Hobbitten and Koen decided to unban after “reviewing the evidence again”. The evidence was this player, Ketaminka (also known as mogamer on GMOD back then) posting obviously very young children in an anime style in NSFW actions/poses. I just want to remind you again that it was very young children (loli) in NSFW actions/poses. Koen and Hobbitten reviewed this information, and came to the conclusion that this guy is not a p*do. 

Another thing about this player, he doxxed a sunrust developer and got banned then unbanned after begging for months to another admin on sunrust. Then after he was unbanned he started making threats to dox the same developer in private to people. Is that really someone we should be allowing into the community? According to Hobbitten people deserve second chances since it didn’t happen in his community yet. It just boggles me because in the real world, these kinds of people are banned from certain places/areas because of their actions. He says he cares so much about upholding the reputation and image of the staff team but unbanning someone like this just seems idiotic, no? Especially when two of the highest staff members of NIDE decide on this. Is that not weird?

Additionally, this player has lied about his age in the past, larped (impersonate) as other players, and lied about being an old GMOD player. It’s pathetic really, that is what I have to say. He originally said back then that he was 20, then changed his age to 18 for 2 years straight before finally revealing his real age and acting like none of this happened. Not to mention he denounces his previous actions by saying he has autism, like what dude?

Koen for sure didn’t know about him lying about his age or that he lied about being an old GMOD player but the larping thing, it’s like his personality trait to do. He tries to fit in and will do anything, however he was never invited to the “zecord”. So good on koen for that I guess?

• neox

Now this is someone we know from CSS to CSGO/CS2. neox a GFL CS2 player primarily, however he owns and runs a lolicon discord server with Trixie, futo and Tako Cookie. Trixie and futo who we already know as I’ve described them above, however Tako Cookie was banned from GFL for posting a lolicon hentai link in-game. Wow GFL just keeps proving itself as the best place for p*dos to flock to for a fresh start.
neox has also been involved with koen’s server, his old “zecord” and his new one after he purged the old one. However, with accurate testimonies from people who were in the old one, neox would post loli publicly in Koen’s server with Trixie and futo. Despite people not wanting to see that kind of content they would still see it. Neox has been banned from sunrust because they do not tolerate these people.

• Koen, himself

Do I think he’s a lolicon? No. Do I think he’s a groomer? No. Do I think he’s a degenerate? Yes, 100%. Why? He’s oversexual with anyone he deems feminine, and just can’t seem to control himself properly, always asking for pictures or sexual favors, or even doing sexual advances. Hell he even e-dates pretty often and goes into a “depressive” state when going through a break up that is virtual, changing his PFPs to transparent or pure black. 

This is the CSS Server Manager by the way, the guy who is the representative of the CSS ZE Staff team. Yet his behavior is that of a young child on the internet who discovered he can get free pussy by manipulating the power if he’s above them.

 

EXAMPLE

him asking for thigh pics from a script1ng (14 y/o minor) then joking about being cancelled (he knew his age)

 

• Koen, himself (continued)

Does he purposely invite these p*dos and lolicons to his discord server? Honestly, I am not sure but I do know he invites anyone from GMOD and ZE communities if they act slightly horny, act feminine, or he knows he can get pics from them. He’s bragged and boasted about getting pics from Chinese ZE players on QQ (Chinese social app).

From what I’ve seen observing Koen and from others speaking about him, he’s someone who will be opportunistic when it comes to getting power and keeping it. He isn’t that malicious with his power (most of the time) but does use his power to flaunt it to other players so that he can get favors from them. From opportunistic to naive to emotional outbursts he isn’t someone fit for his position and has stated it several times in his own discord before doing purges. He’s cried and moaned about how he wanted to quit being NIDE’s CSS ZE Manager several times over nothingburger issues or because people were flaming him or even when people got mad that he was changing the cooldowns of laser maps.

Another thing, in his discord server(s) he would manually mass delete messages of the p*dos I listed above that were in his server and kick them temporarily then re-invite them later. I am pretty sure I said it earlier up there but I am just restating it again.

 

• Conclusion

 I think Mobile’s demotion is sort of deserved given his behavior but outright doing it immediately instead of letting him know ahead of time and trying to work with him to help better himself Hobbitten instead axed him after he slinged the p*do allegations to Ketaminka. Mobile is definitely too deeply invested into the community but sometimes that’s a good thing, he’s wanting disgusting people gone from the community yet gets backlash for doing so from upper management. 

As a player, I see NIDE staff as larpers who try to act professional only to shit-talk players privately in closed channels or on other servers. They care about their reputation yet act like women at a hair salon with the constant gossiping, never helping each other actually learn how to better themselves so they can get along better. Literally the only people I’ve seen get along better is Vndrew and Mobile, and they had a TOUGH past on NIDE yet somehow made up and are cool with each other now. Again, this is from my perspective as a player but usually I will see the staff being the ones that cause shit first instead of players or punish players for messing around with their friends when they aren’t affecting other players' gameplay besides their own.

 

Any additional information on koen’s discord server will be updated via the hyperlink in this text.

Edited July 31 by notkoen
Cleanup

[aaa mohmmued 20]

Deleting snail comment shows how hypocritical your decision is, and giving a chance to a "pedo" is f*cking retarded. I say that you should end this and remove the silence, and give an apology to Mobile because what he did is literally what most of ze players have done. If you want to keep the silence, then be fair and just, and give the rest the same punishment; otherwise, you will be seen as the hypocrite you are.|

I don't like involving myself in such things, but many retarded replies triggered me to say something.

[Getsuga 4]

On 7/28/2025 at 9:17 PM, Hobbitten said:

 

• After careful examination of the screenshots, we determined that because this had happened outside of Nide and did not directly involve the community or our players, we determined that the permanent ban was unjustified and was promptly removed.

I am just a relatively new member of this community, but following this topic I wanted to say my opinion.
A possible pedophile should be always judged as guilty until proven innocent, and with behaviour like age faking and posting underage anime girls in a private server where the "suspect" is in his "natural habitat" the balance should incline to guilty.
That being said even a possible case of pedophilia is enough of a social hazard for a community.
"this had happened outside of Nide and did not directly involve the community or our players" That is not a good enough argument, as a pedophile does not change from a community to another, just he doesn't show his face yet. These individuals do NOT deserve 2nd chances.
About mobile I do not know him good enough, but I can say that if he had a crashout in the admin chat for this unban, then it was one of the most valid crashouts, because we as a community do not need social hazards and scumbags like this.
This was just my honest thoughts and I think the admins should rethink this whole decision.

[Seal88 17]

the proof is there, i dont know which admin/admins are choosing to hide it but it doesn't look good for the community.

so put your ego to the side and remove the mute/gag and apologize to mobile, maybe give him his admin back but i doubt it that he still wants to be admin after all of this.

[Hobbitten 712]

2 hours ago, aaa mohmmued said:

Deleting snail comment shows how hypocritical your decision is, and giving a chance to a "pedo" is f*cking retarded. I say that you should end this and remove the silence, and give an apology to Mobile because what he did is literally what most of ze players have done. If you want to keep the silence, then be fair and just, and give the rest the same punishment; otherwise, you will be seen as the hypocrite you are.|

I don't like involving myself in such things, but many retarded replies triggered me to say something.

ITs hidden because there is no need to show any of the photos to anyone this will also be considered. The post is not deleted nor any of the responses. They are hidden so us staff can read and validate stuff.

I will be locking the post until I post my response to all of this.

But 1 thing is certain mobile will not be recieving his admin back and that is a fact.

[notkoen 163]

I've unhidden @ Snail 's comment although I have expunged the included screenshots due to this being a public forum. However, you can still view the original screenshots in his attached Google document. With that said, I would like to address the portion of his comment about me.

1. The "zecord"

The discord server (which I will refer to as the "zecord" from now on) was an extension of the original gmod zs/ze thread on GFL's ZE discord server. The original members of the server all hung out in GFL's public voice channels. Over time, both the thread and the group of people increased in size, and so too did the people who annoyed us. It was then decided we would migrate to a separate Discord server instead, hence the creation of the "zecord." However, the zecord itself was open, and anyone was allowed to invite anyone as they please. It was merely a place for all of us to hang out without having to worry about GFL's rules and other people. At one point, the zecord reached over 120 members with tons of channels and individual friend groups. I only cared about befriending people and getting to know everyone, so I was always open to inviting anyone. Due to its size, none of the other channels besides general chat were moderated. Hence why there were explicit content being shared without my knowledge. The server was purged shortly after Trixie, Futo, and Kathleen was exposed for sharing said explicit photos.

2. Chino

I've known Chino prior to playing on Sunrust as he was originally a Nide CSS ZE player. While we did not talk much, I befriended him because he was a chill guy and was a femboy. However, he had quit ZE for reasons unknown at the time, so I fell out of contact with him before meeting him again when I started playing Gmod ZS. We caught up, and I invited him to hang out with me on the zecord. A few months later, I was made aware of the comments that Chino made regarding kids. At the time, I had assumed it was a lost-in-translation misunderstanding and did not think much of it. It was later on that Mobile had messaged me privately with further screenshots of his past sprays and messages that painted the full picture of him.

3. Trixie, Futo, and Fray

I first met Trixie on Sunrust during an OBJ Hardmode event hosted by Fray. It was coincidentally also the first time I started playing Gmod zs. We befriended one another after striking conversations, and I had invited him to the GFL Discord server to hang out. Even after the decision to create the zecord, I still invited Trixie because we all hung out and played games together. At the time, I was not aware of the things Trixie was into, nor did I bother ever asking because I had assumed people were "normal" and were chill.

Admittedly, I do not remember who had invited Futo to the zecord. I did not know who Futo was entirely until after the zecord was created. I had very few interactions with him, and only had small talk up until his ban on Sunrust. The small talk we had never hinted me that he was lolicon, and I did not do my due diligence to find out more about him. Had I known he was a lolicon, then I would've never befriended him, and things would not have turned out this way. For this, I admit it was my mistake for not doing my due diligence in knowing a person fully, and being naive/optimistic about a person.

I was not aware of Fray's past, nor did I ever bother getting to know more about Fray. He hung out with us on GFL Discord and the zecord many times, and the interactions never showed any signs of him being a manipulator and liar. All our conversations have been about ZS and OBJ, and outside of that our conversations were always friendly and chill. It is why it came to me as both a surprise and shock when the situation about him being a groomer shocked me because I did not expect this from him. I have not talked to him since the incident outside a few seasonal greetings and the occasional "how are you" messages.

4. Neox

Neox is someone that I felt betrayed by. I've known neox much longer than the aforementioned people as we met in GFL ZE and have played together for years. While I found him annoying and retarded at times, I did not expect him to also be a lolicon. My first few interactions with him were rather unpleasant. However, ever since others and I started hanging out in GFL's public voice channels, he was also there hanging out with us. Over time, he's changed in a manner that I thought was positive. He's more chill, no longer as annoying, hence why I had invited him to both the zecord and the new server after it was purged. This was my image of him up until a few weeks ago when Mobile and another person sent me screenshots of Neox engaging in disgusting activity involving lolis. I had a hard time believing this was true, and the fact that his "loli" server was created after Trixie, Futo, and Kathleen was banned is what shocked me the most. I had given stark warnings to everyone reinvited to the new server about such behavior isn't welcome, and I had assumed everyone had learned their lesson. So I was both shocked and at a loss for words when I was made aware of Neox's new discord server.

5. Ketaminka

Admittedly, I still do not know much about him. I've only had a few interactions with him, so I do not know what kind of person he is. I've only heard of rumors from a few people about his past, but I did not know the full extent of his past and the kind of person he is. There is not much for me to comment on besides what I was sent.

6. About Me

What Snail said about me is a fair assessment of the type of person I am. I am an emotionally driven and a degenerate and horny person. I will not deny the weird and freaky screenshots of my messages. If you played on Zeddy's on CS:GO years ago, I already exhibited similar behavior. I did it without any filter, and never bothered to reflect on this behavior. It was only up now that I realize the full extent of my inappropriate messages and the negative impacts it has on people. While I've taken steps to improve these past few months when this situation first happened, I fully understand how people feel about me and why this is being brought up now.

I have fully addressed the screenshot of the inappropriate messages I had sent in the Discord server to Scripting in a seperate forum thread. While I highly recommend everyone to read my response to get the full context behind my messages, I would also like to leave a short response here. The messages I sent were meant to be a joke aimed at Scripting, and I never had any real intention for him to send pictures. At that time, I was unaware of Scripting's age, and had incorrectly assumed he was overage given how long he has played ze and the way he interacts with other members of the community (this includes mature topics). When I was made aware of scripting's age, I immediately backtracked on my joke, deleted my messages, and issued an apology. Once again, I do implore people to read through the linked thread for my full response.

I want to apologize to anyone I have either yelled at during my emotional outbursts or sent inappropriate messages to. It is my fault for being immature and never considered how others perceive my messages, as well as being ignorant of my behavior. I always believed in being a social person and befriending everyone, but I often get too comfortable making inappropriate jokes and comments. Many people have came forward and confronted me about my inappropriate behavior, but I always feigned ignorance and continued making inappropriate comments. It wasn't until recent that the consequences of my actions have come back to bite me, and only now do I see the wrong in my ways. I know this comment alone isn't enough to apologize for what I've done, nor will it change everyone's opinion of me, but I hope this can be the start to mending my mistakes and improving as a person.

I acknowledge my terrible handling of the situation has impacted the rest of the ze community in a negative manner, and in general how I have handled the server these past 2.5 years does not please everyone. While I had good intentions and ambitious goals for improving the community, I wound up being ignorant of many opinions about the server and ignored advice from experienced people. I blame no one else but myself for the current situation as this should have been handled with proper discussion between all the admins and management rather than just me going off of whatever I felt like. I failed my job as a server manager, and for this I am terribly sorry.

I acknowledge both Mobile's and Snail's criticism of me. I have an extensive history of outbursts and being both biased and unfair in my treatment. I've also flaunted my positions to coerce people after not getting what I want. For this, I apologize to any player that has been affected by this. I will take this opportunity to better improve myself as a person in hopes that in the future, I can make up for my mistakes. I am appreciative that people have stepped up and pointed out the many issues I have. I fully recognize the fault in my ways, and aim to improve myself and how I interact with people.